President Donald Trump is doing better in the key swing state of Pennsylvania than what the polls indicate, former Democratic National Committee chair Ed Rendell said in a new interview that aired Sunday, explaining there are a significant number of people who don’t want to admit that they are voting for him.

Speaking on “The Cats Roundtable” radio show on WABC 770AM hosted by John Catsimatidis, Rendell, who was also Pennsylvania governor from 2003 to 2011, said that “when the polls had Hillary [Clinton] winning Pennsylvania comfortably, I said I was worried because with Donald Trump there is an effect with the polls that’s very much like Frank Rizzo, our former mayor in Philadelphia, who was a rough, tough guy … who wasn’t liked by African Americans, and wasn’t liked by liberals.”

Rendell explained that “Rizzo would always poll four points worse than he did on Election Day. … There were some people who didn’t want to admit to the pollster that they were voting for Frank Rizzo.”

Rendell said the same effect happened in 2016 with Trump, adding that it is happening again now and the race in the state of Pennsylvania is much closer than the surveys show. Currently, polls in the Keystone State have Biden in the lead.

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